Lee makes nice pants, they are well constructed and the fabrics are usually pretty good. These are Okay, look, first of all I need to know why pants are being put together SO WEIRD. These pants are just weird, especially for plus sizes. It's like there's ZERO full seat adjustment, for one thing, and this is a problem because I HAVE A BIG BUTT AND I CANNOT LIE. I have a relatively small waist, big butt, and thick thighs, but I'm in proportion, so why are these pants cut so weird? I even bought these two sizes too large to make sure the legs were actually trouser like because the last pair of Lee jeans I bought were supposed to be straight legs and they are skinnies instead, which is fine, they fit, but I wanted actual trousers this time, with skimming, slightly wide trouser-y legs, and THESE ARE NOT omg. It's frustrating for me, and I'm big but kind of standard, I can only imagine what a woman with a less conventional body type than me must go through to find pants. I sew and am accustomed at this point to buying larger sizes of various things and tailoring them to fit me. This is how I know there is no full seat in these pants, besides, I don't know, PUTTING THEM ON MY GIANT BUTT and being like huh, this is weird. When I removed the waistband to take them in the back dipped sharply at the center because that's what happens when there's no full seat in a pair of PLUS SIZE PANTS now I'm not saying all us normie-sized women, and we are the norm, have big butts, but from a proportional view this shouldn't have been this... not... what... look the majority of ALL women do actually have SOME kind of butt, okay? Butts are a thing in our species generally. If your butt is very flat maybe these are the pants for you? I don't know, nothing wrong with having a flat butt, not that I'd know or anything, but it SEEMS like there should be room for some kind of buttockness in pants of this size. But I can overlook that since I can fix the problem. Not everyone can sew, but I do. There's enough wiggle room (ha ha see what I did there) to make this work. The problem is the legs. These legs are... what are they even? They ain't no trouser I've ever worn. And I know my trousers. These are tight in the thighs and loose in the calves and when I folded them to check, they aren't exactly straight. They aren't straight at all. They aren't exactly boot cut, but I don't know what they are. They're a hot mess is what, they are not what I wanted, they aren't as pictured, and I don't know. I don't even know what to say. Also the "tummy control panel" or whatever that joke of a piece of fabric in the front is supposed to be, those things are nicely inserted but otherwise utterly useless and also, with this particular fabric, pulls the front of the pants so it looks like you have a strange skirt-like thing going on? With legs attached? That aren't trouser legs? And meanwhile your behind is all like will this contain my callipygian charms or split suddenly while taking a socially distanced walk? Oh yeah, also I ordered a size tall, and they are, but not by much. If you're taller than six feet, maybe try the other tall pants in this brand, which are long enough for me to have to take up a little. These ones are not. I will say the fabric is nice, the whole pant is black inside and out which is good, and the stitching and basic stuff is solid. But damn, Lee, what the heck? Why are these pants just So. Dang. WEIRD???